VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Discuss individual shows here
Post Reply
User avatar
darkgodakito
Fan er er
Fan er er
Posts: 50
Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:50 am

VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Post by darkgodakito » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:25 am

Given that YouTube is now a big part of the media we consume, what do you think needs to be done or be changed to protect channels from claims stemming from Copyright Claim abuse and other false accusations?

~Idea submitted by Vailreth~
Image

User avatar
YotaruVegeta
Fan er er
Fan er er
Posts: 95
Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:05 am
Location: NY, US
Contact:

Re: VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Post by YotaruVegeta » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:15 pm

I think one step that could be done is to lessen the penalties associated with copyright strikes. Your pal and mine, Jim Sterling, has documented his troubles with shitty game "developers" who use copyright claims to shut him down. When the claim is made, it takes about two weeks to move ahead after the claim is made. That costs YouTubers money and time.

Also, I think that some kind of trust system should be established. If a YouTuber has a history of innocent copyright verdicts, they shouldn't continue to be attacked by false copyright. On the other side, if someone has a history of claiming copyright and they're just crying wolf, then they shouldn't be taken as seriously next time.

I don't know if copyright lawyers would laugh at that, but I feel like the current YT rules are too rough.

User avatar
KeenHavoc
Not So Newb
Not So Newb
Posts: 6
Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:52 pm
Location: GMT -5:00
Contact:

Re: VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Post by KeenHavoc » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:22 am

Like what YotaruVegeta said, the burden of proof should be on the plaintive, and defendant youtubers shouldn't have to have their livelihoods and free speech threatened by every malicious publisher and overly zealous corporate ad-revenue stealing bot.
But these are the realities that content producers and file hosting services face in the United States.

Copyright law was lobbied by and passed for copyright holders. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act requires all file hosting services to upholding any and every copyright complaint if they don't want be held directly responsible for the infringing content.
(see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mininova)

The safe harbor clause protects hosting services like youtube, bit torrent, and twitch from being sued to oblivion if they go above and beyond reasonable action to stomp out any infringing content and punish users, no matter how valid or frivolous the claims are.

In order to protect users and content producers, hosting services like vimeo, dailymotion, and youtube need strong protections for themselves so that they don't need to implement such dreadful systems like the copyright strikes and mass flagging videos to stay legally non-liable for each user's content.
Even when our eyes are closed, there's a whole world out there that exists beyond our dreams.
Image

User avatar
xahldera
Bigger Fan
Bigger Fan
Posts: 122
Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:07 pm
Location: Scotland
Contact:

Re: VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Post by xahldera » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:13 am

I suspect what needs to be done requires a lot of money and time. That would be a taking the false copyright claimants to court and making them put their money where their mouth is. Sadly most of us do not have either time or money to do this and most of the media hosting companies are too scared of losing ad revenue to be a safe harbour for fair use. So practically, not much can be done on our end?
THIS IS ONLY A TEST...
xahldera/X-ray Alpha

Image

User avatar
vailreth
Fan
Fan
Posts: 34
Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:23 pm
Location: Interwebs

Re: VG Pulse 276 Discussion Topic

Post by vailreth » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:18 am

i am afraid to suggest anything because big corporations never implement things well or for the interests of their customers. with that said i think one thing that can be done is to circumvent Youtube as much as possible, Patreon and other services that directly support the creators we like. or at the least subscribe to services like youtube red. like the old saying goes Vote with your wallet. deny money to the companies and channels that do not support the best interests of the consumer/viewers.

Post Reply